Eight years ago, this XKCD comic crossed my desk, then into my classes, onto my blog, and through my professional development workshops.

That single comic has put thousands of students in a position to encounter the power and delight of the coordinate plane. But I’ve never been happier with those experiences than I was when my team at Desmos partnered with the team at CPM to create a lesson we call Pomegraphit.

Here is how Pomegraphit reflects some of the core design principles of the teaching team at Desmos.

**Ask for informal analysis before formal analysis.**

Flip open your textbook to the chapter that introduces the coordinate plane. I’ll wager $5 that the *first* coordinate plane students see includes a grid. Here’s the top Google result for “coordinate plane explanation” for example.

A *gridded* plane is the formal sibling of the *gridless* plane. The gridded plane allows for more power and precision, but a student’s earliest experience plotting two dimensions simultaneously shouldn’t involve precision or even numerical measurement. That can come later. Students should first ask themselves what it means when a point moves up, down, left, right, and, especially, diagonally.

So there isn’t a single numerical coordinate or gridline in Pomegraphit.

**Delay feedback for reflection, especially during concept development activities.**

It seemed impossible for us to offer students any automatic feedback here. After a student graphs her fruit, we have no way of telling her, “Your understanding of the coordinate plane is incomplete.” This is because there is no *right* way to place a fruit. Every answer could be correct. Maybe this student *really* thinks grapes are gross and difficult to eat. We can’t assume here.

So watch this! We *first* asked students to signal tastiness and difficulty using *checkboxes*, a more familiar representation.

*Now* we know the quadrants where we should find each student’s fruit. So when the student then *graphs* her fruit, on the next screen we don’t say, “Your opinions are *wrong*.” We say, “Your graph and your checkboxes *disagree*.”

Then it’s up to *students* to bring those two representations into alignment, bringing their understanding of both representations up to the same level.

**Create objects that promote mathematical conversations between teachers and students.**

Until now, it’s been impossible for me to have one particular conversation about the tasty-easy graph. It’s been impossible for me to ask one particular question about everyone’s graphs, because the answer has been scattered in pieces across everyone’s papers. But when all of your students are using networked devices using some of the best math edtech available, we can collect all of those answers and ask the question I’ve wanted to ask for years:

“What’s the most controversial fruit in the room? How can we find out?”

Is it the lemon?

Or is it the strawberry?

What will it be in your classes? Find out and let us know.

**2017 Jun 16**. Ben Orlin adds several different graphs of his own. Delete his objects and ask your students to choose and graph their own. Then show Ben’s.

## 21 Comments

## Paul Hartzer

June 6, 2017 - 6:56 pm -Overall, I like this exercise, but I discuss some of my initial reflections and misgivings here: http://curiouscheetah.com/BlogMath/graphing-and-the-coordinate-plane/

The short version: This struck me as a “statistics” way of exploring the grid, which is fine, but I’m concerned about how much we do or should be distinguishing the way the grid is used in algebra, geometry, and statistics.

## Nikos

June 7, 2017 - 4:43 am -… The core design principles… I laughed.

## Dick Fuller

June 7, 2017 - 7:48 am -I think this confronts the student with a(the?) major mystery in school mathematics, where did the coordinate plane, or lines, come from? In this case there are fruits and there are perpendicular lines in a plane. The student is asked to consider two fruit attributes as ordered. Numbers are ordered., the attributes can be assigned numbers. How? By a function that maps t-ness to numbers and e-ness to numbers .The student supplies that function, most likely without knowing it.

The student and has long been conditioned to think numbers come with lines, they do not. A coordinates system is a function that maps points to numbers and the other way around. That function is constructed by somebody. Put the fruit ->attribute, the attribute -> number and the coordinate function together and you have the mapping of fruits to points in a plane.

Generally students have not seen functions, and hence the mystery. It started with “numbers as points” on a number line. When a coordinate system is constructed by a computer there is a function some place in the code. Why not expose that process, and take it all the way back to the number line?

## John Scammell

June 7, 2017 - 8:54 am -I love this one. Is there a way you could make the dynamic text on slide 6 pop out a bit more? I didn’t notice it changing as I dragged my two fruits around.

## Dan Meyer

June 9, 2017 - 8:09 am -This is a really good idea.

## Meredith Thompson

June 7, 2017 - 11:02 am -I love this idea – though I can’t get Fruit Ninja out of my mind when I look at it. I’m sharing this with the third grade teachers I visited today and hopefully we’ll use it sometime!

Thanks Dan and Desmos for these creative and fun ideas.

## David Stewart

June 8, 2017 - 5:13 am -I’d love to see this extended a bit further for an intro stats course. “Controversial” is just variance in the measurements. Great way to introduce a topic that is really dry in most text books.

## Dan Meyer

June 9, 2017 - 8:10 am -That’d take this activity in the coordinate plane in a pretty dramatic new direction. I like the direction, I just think we’d need to split it off into its own activity. Main question: “How do you determine, numerically, which fruit is most controversial?”

## Ian Frame

June 12, 2017 - 4:11 am -I think this is a wonderful task. While I like the elimination of the precision of the coordinate plane by removing the grid lines, I think you can deconstruct the abstraction even further. If I were to use this to introduce students to the coordinate plane, I think I’d build up the need for a plane first. I believe there is a rich opportunity for students to jump to a two-dimensional plane, and I think that is overlooked with how the task is currently presented.

My initial idea for a revision would use one-dimensional lines. First I’d ask the students to place the fruits on a line to rank the tastiness of each fruit. I’d repeat the process, but this time I’d ask for the students to rank the difficulty of eating each fruit. Then the pivotal questions becomes, “Can we represent or communicate both pieces of information about the fruit in one image/representation?” My hope is that this would facilitate some thoughtful conversation and even allow the students to invent the idea of a plane. And after that, how natural is it for students to wonder, “What would a 3-dimensional system look like? 4-D? 5-D?”

Thanks for sharing all of this. Keep up the great work, Desmos!

## Dan Meyer

June 12, 2017 - 2:41 pm -Love it. Similar to David’s suggestion about variance, this probably deserves its own lesson.

I gave it a shot a long time in a lesson I regret for obvious reasons of sexism and objectifications, but I still like the illustration of the coordinate plane’s value. The dot plots don’t reveal anything all that interesting by themselves, but when you plot them

againsteach other, the associationpops.## Dick Fuller

June 12, 2017 - 6:35 am -It may be useful to realize there is another direction to be explored here, and that is the attention that should be paid to the use of undefined variables. All of us need to think about the use of “apparent mathematics” in explanation or illustration. Characterization of fruit with undefined variables is probably harmless, but the use of apparent mathematics it illustrates is not.

Exciting title!It takes you back to 60’s to see mathematics playing the star role in the real world. The issues it raises on the use of mathematics are still relevant in the application of social science to education.

## Dick Fuller

June 13, 2017 - 7:11 am -As per request, here is an attempt to clarify my thoughts. I’d like to hear reactions.

It is difficult to understand mathematics, but it is one of the few ways students can see a large payoff from the struggle to understand. Using undefined variables as coordinates, displayed or not, is deception. Mathematics resides in the graph of the quantitative relation of measures of two fruit attributes, but I cannot see a way to measure or derive numbers for coordinates of undefined variables, and hence they are not quantitative. They are opinion.

Why do I think this is important?

Mathematics is a glimpse of both the difficulty and the possibility of understanding. Circumventing aspects that make it so leaves unique opportunities on the table. Students also need to see how the appearance of mathematics is used to lend undeserved weight to arguments.

## Katrin

July 4, 2017 - 10:16 am -Hey Dan,

I am an educational studies student from Munich and I am currently participating in a seminar about teaching Math in English. I just found your blog and I really like your method of teaching the coordinate systems. But I’ve got a few questions.

How much does the understanding of your students of coordinate systems improve by teaching them with the Pomegraphit method rather than teaching the regular way?

Do you use this method only to introduce the topic?

How do you arrange the transition from this method to using numbers?

I look forward to your reactions

Katrin

## Dan Meyer

July 6, 2017 - 9:01 pm -Thanks for the questions, Katrin.

I haven’t run any specific study comparing this approach to introducing the coordinate plane with any other. I tend to a) draw inspiration from the Freudenthalian work on “progressive formalisation,” and also from the fact that I can always add the numeric coordinate plane. But I can’t subtract it once it’s added.

I give them a single fruit on the coordinate plane. I ask them to “send a text message to a friend that precisely describes the location of that fruit.” They find it challenging. They rely on imprecise language. Then I add a grid to the plane and ask them to repeat the exercise. They feel something like relief. The grid is a tool to enhance their communication. They still tend to say things like “four left and three down,” which I need to help them formalize to (-4,-3).

## Katrin

July 17, 2017 - 9:47 am -Hi Dan, thank you very much for your answer.

## rachel defelice

July 10, 2017 - 6:41 am -I just recently found your blog and am planning on using demos for a few projects this fall in a class I teach. I am a high school math teacher in MN and teach College Alg/Trig this fall. Love your blog and ideas about coordinate plane, I will definitely be using some of these ideas for a graphing project we will do.

## Ross Ludwig

September 10, 2017 - 10:29 am -I love this. I’m wondering if you have any ideas of a light context or a full lesson that might present in such a way that would make Cartesian coordinates difficult and drive students to discover the polar system.

## Dick Fuller

September 11, 2017 - 3:27 pm -Why not a circle centered at the origin? Both the x = sqrt(1-y^2), same for y, coordinates are singular at +1 and -1, and hence difficult to evaluate by hand. Just try to evaluate sqrt(1 – x^2) near x = 1.

All you need for polar coordinates is a compass and a ruler to fix the radius, and blank sheet of paper.

The practical computer approach hides the difficulty in Cartesian coordinates by numerical evaluation of power series expansions of the circular functions (sin and cos). For graphics the pixel map is generally Cartesian and polar coordinates are mapped to it.

Your question brings out a nice collection of math, computation, and technology. Thanks to Dan for providing the forum.

## Dan Meyer

September 11, 2017 - 9:17 am -Hi Ross, thanks for the query. We don’t have anything like that currently, but we’ll talk about it.