What does it take to ask students a question like this?

A poker face? A bit of malice? Nitsa Movshovits-Hadar argues [pdf] that it requires only the ability to trick yourself into forgetting that you know every triangle has the *same* interior angle sum. “Suppose we do not know it,” she writes, which is easier said than done.

The premise of her article is that “… all school theorems, except possibly a very small number of them, possess a built-in surprise, and that by exploiting this surprise potential their learning can become an exciting experience of intellectual enterprise to the students.”

This is such a delightful paper — extremely readable and eminently practical. Without knowing me, Movshovits-Hadar took several lessons that I love, but which seemed to me totally disparate, and showed me how they connect, and how to replicate them. I’m pretty sure I was grinning like an idiot the whole way through this piece.

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@rawrdimus i.e. think less like a math teacher who knows how to write a circle equation

— Dan Anderson (@dandersod) June 10, 2016

Not easy for math teachers to do!

@ddmeyer I did a similar thing with my Year 9 students and the trig ratios!!! Heaps of fun and surprise!

— David Ross Lang (@Davidinho_78) June 12, 2016

What if you asked two questions: which triangle has the longest perimeter and which triangle has the largest angle sum? It might clarify what can change in a triangle and what cannot. Also it hides the surprise better. If you teach via surprise consistently, kids start looking for the punchline.

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Jo:

Elementary may actually have an advantage here! We play these games all the time. Some favorites:

Draw me a two-sided quadrilateral

Draw me a triangle with three right angles (or three obtuse angles)

(We have a manipulative that consist of little plastic sticks that snap together to build things)–Build me a triangle with the red stick (6″), the purple stick (1″) and the green stick (2″ )Once the whole class is convinced they can’t you can get at why and then writing a rule for it. There is nothing an 8 year old likes better than proving the teacher wrong.

Theorems and formulae in textbooks should be marked with a “spoiler alert”.

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## Kevin Fairchild

June 11, 2016 - 7:44 pm -This is the same thing I tried to do in physics: have students learn by inquiry. Having them do multiple experiments to discover (perhaps to their surprise) that there is something conserved in collisions (let’s call it momentum) is so much more effective than just telling them. I love the idea that students can do this in math classes as well as in science classes!

## Dan Meyer

June 11, 2016 - 8:03 pm -Kevin Fairchild:I’m curious about the nature of those experiments. I’ve convinced myself that there’s a difference between Movshovits-Hadar asking her students to “measure the interior angle sum of all the triangles” and asking them to “predict which has the greatest angle sum” followed by measuring the sum for verification followed by trying to

drawa triangle with a sum thatisn’t180Â°.What I’m saying is teachers may interpret your mandate “to discover” a number of different ways — some more productive than others. Those differences intrigue me!

## Andy S

June 12, 2016 - 3:50 am -Thanks for sharing the article. It seems to me that the common thread in all of this was that the students were doing something. They were measuring angles or solving quadratics. When we rob them of the chance to explore and mess around with math they will never be surprised by the amazing things that are out there. They won’t have the background knowledge needed to see why they should be surprised.

## Jo

June 12, 2016 - 4:08 am -Draw me a two-sided quadrilateral

Draw me a triangle with three right angles (or three obtuse angles)

(We have a manipulative that consist of little plastic sticks that snap together to build things)–Build me a triangle with the red stick (6″), the purple stick (1″) and the green stick (2″ )

Once the whole class is convinced they can’t you can get at why and then writing a rule for it. There is nothing an 8 year old likes better than proving the teacher wrong.

## Cathy

June 12, 2016 - 4:54 am -Love it! Played with this multiple choice prompt in a similarly tricky fashion – the kids caught me though… ;-)

http://www.mathycathy.com/blog/2013/01/nearpod-helped-make-a-good-question-better/

## Dan Meyer

June 12, 2016 - 6:33 am -@Jo, really fun examples. Added to the post.## Nitsa Movshovitz-Hadar

June 12, 2016 - 10:35 am -Hello Dan

Thanks for bringing my pretty old paper back to the attention of math educators. This was one of two papers I wrote in 1988 which are my favorites. If you liked this one you may also like the other one: “Stimulating Presentations of Theorems Followed by Responsive Proofs” published in: For the â€ŽLearning of Mathematics, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. 12-30.â€Ž And possibly also my paradoxes book “One equals zero and other mathematical surprise” now published through NCTM. I’ll be happy to have some exchange with you about your work and my more recent work. Please write to me: nitsa at technion dot ac dot il

## Kevin Fairchild

June 12, 2016 - 2:29 pm -Dan, if I understand what you’re describing, the analogue in science education is “asking students to predict the outcome of an experiment or demonstration before doing it” as opposed to “watching the demonstration and then explaining what happened”. It’s well accepted that requiring students to commit to a prediction before making an observation is a more effective way of achieving conceptual change. I wonder, though, if that is more applicable to science than math, simply because people have intricate mental models for how the world works, based on experience, that are not always correct: things fall when you let go of them, big things are heavier than small things, moving objects naturally come to rest. Do people come to math classes with the same level and complexity of pre-conceptions?

## Bev Crawford

June 12, 2016 - 4:57 pm -Building from Kent Haines comment, ask students to compare the area, perimeter and sum of interior angles of a group of triangles. Maybe include a pair of triangles with same perimeter, a pair with same area, and a “pair” with same interior angle sum. Maybe ask them to find the angles with same perimeter, same area and same angle sum.

## Kevin Hall

June 13, 2016 - 5:28 am -@Jo, what do you mean by “draw me a 2-sided quadrilateral”? I’m having trouble understanding how that would provoke productive effort. If you asked me that question, I’d just scrunch up my face and look at you funny.

## Dan Meyer

June 13, 2016 - 10:12 am -Kevin:Thanks for clarifying,

Kevin. I just wanted to jump in on this and mention that people have lots of incorrect or naive mental models about mathematics that we can exploit in similar ways. Multiplication always makes things larger, for instance! I’m always happy to see math and science pedagogy rhyming with each other.## Michael Pershan

June 13, 2016 - 5:38 pm -I ran into trouble last year with a Geometry class that was NOT having it when I asked them to let go of what they know and prove the 180 thing. They were really upset. Some were upset because THIS IS SO OBVIOUS WE ALL KNOW THIS. Others were upset for an entirely different reason: THIS IS ARBITRARY IT COULD BE ANYTHING LIKE 359 OR 361.

For both groups, I changed my approach. I asked, “If a circle is A degrees, are we FORCED to say how many degrees the angles of a triangle makes?”

## Ethan Hall

June 14, 2016 - 12:50 am -Thanks for sharing the article, and even more for sharing your own experience of enjoying it. Grinning like an idiot is one of the most powerful tools in a teacher’s toolbox.

This idea can be related to the educational version of the biological recapitulation theory – “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”. While the original biological theory is outdated and largely discredited (and like many of the biological theories of its time was subject to ethnocentric abuse), I think the concept still holds as a guiding pedagogical principle.

When students follow the footsteps of the founding fathers and mothers of human thought along the discovery trail, they can truly experience the magic and meaning of the end results and get to own them. When we hand down the bottom line to our students, we rob them of what makes math worth learning.

An example of wonderment that can’t be faked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1gT2f3Fe44

## Dan Meyer

June 14, 2016 - 7:34 am -Michael:Feeling pretty thick right now. Can you elaborate what you’re doing here and why you’re doing it?

Ethan Hall:Awesome.

## Michael Pershan

June 14, 2016 - 8:22 am -Sorry, lemme try again.

I took the central question of this post to be, how do you make familiar results feel unfamiliar? There is a built in surprise, but sometimes the result is so familiar that we need to make the result unfamiliar to ourselves in order to be surprised with fresh eyes.

One possibility is to consciously try to “forget” the result. Hide the sort-of-familiar invariant amidst some variants. Use your imagination. Imagine you were trying to convince a skeptic. How would you convince a 4th Grader, or a Geometry-ignorant alien?

These are all attempts to defamiliarize the result. I was suggesting that a way to access the surprise is to focus on the

relationshipof various results to each other, rather than on the results themselves.We all know that triangle angles add up to 180. But some things in math are forced to be true, and others have wiggle room.

True, the angles of a triangle add up to 180. Could they have been something else?

Suppose we know a full spin is 360. Is this enough to force us to say that the triangle’s angles add up to 180?

What if we know that a pentagon’s angles add up to 540? Or if we know that a straight line is 180, does that force us to say that a triangle’s angles add up to 180?

Even familiar results can have surprising relationships to other results. When I’m trying to rediscover the surprise, I often shift to these relationships rather than trying to ask my students to “forget” the result.

## Jo

June 15, 2016 - 12:32 pm -@Kevin Hall–This would be the beginning of a discussion of what polygons are and aren’t with first and second graders. They have some visual knowledge of shapes but the don’t have any kind of working definition or any rules. We usually look at examples and non-examples of polygons and they realize that they have to include that polygons are closed in their definition. Then I ask them if there are any rules about how many sides a polygon has to have and their first response is usually that it doesn’t matter. That’s when, “ok, draw me a 2 sided polygon” comes in. It’s really fun to watch as, one after the other, they realize that they can’t close a 2-sided thing. This really is also an introduction to the idea that there are rules that apply to math that can be generalized.

## Geoff

January 20, 2017 - 8:23 am -Still, even after all these years, I am surprised that raising a number to the zeroth power is one, not zero. I have to reprove it to myself like every three months. Students too are continually perplexed by that and provide a potential opportunity for violating expectations.